Curse

kazjun · Sep 15, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Done pretty much everything with my main, and I stopped playing my other characters when the HoM was introduced. So most common quests I can't be bothered doing again, unless it's a good reward, like some pve skill or something. Though I can't be bothered to do even that most of the time.

If my friends are on, we'll go raid a dungeon or an elite mission or do some gvg or pvp, though lately AB has been more fun to roll people than halls. Otherwise, I'm just on to chat, or look for new dye combo's for my armours.

strcpy · Sep 15, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

Yes, and as you can see quite a few people are doing just that. However there aren't very many going in PUGs.

The first "problem" is that a game ages and it's player base becomes more skilled then there is less and less reason to PUG. We have learned to H/H most everything and we generally already have an extensive enough friends list or guild (for those that want to play with other people) that there is little reason to PUG.

That is even assuming that PUGs play well - unfortunately they normally do not. If you are mainly there to socialize while gaming then it's not a big deal - in fact that Wammo or Sin that constantly gets themselves killed or the highly uncoordinated attempts at doing something can actually be fun. Many of the stories given about bad PUGs actually have something of a nostalgic tone to them for that reason - I know I have been in a few where the sheer incompetence was something to remember. Don't get me wrong here either - even when playing for social interaction one should still try and win to the best of their ability (others in your PUG may be trying to succeed and no reason to ruin their fun any more than someone ruining yours using that excuse is going to be liked).

However if one is actually wanting to complete something they are, well, not fun. Failure through sheer stupidity is frustrating. Most of us can handle ignorance (that can be fixed) and most of us can even handle mediocre ability (still better than the AI - can not expect everyone to be a 3 year veteran) but when you just want to clear a dungeon or mission that Wammo that was funny and memorable in the above paragraph is Greatly Disliked.

I play games to have fun, not be frustrated. There are lots of games out there that are fun. GW has occupied me for over three years now because it has been consistently fun - I can play with H/H (I'm not in a guild) when I want to complete something and PUG when I want to game socially. In fact it's been a while since I played in any PUGs - I may break out my Echo SS necro or make her a MM for a bit and do so (both are really easy to play so not even really any need to focus strongly).

I highly suggest looking for a guild and strong alliance. This site has a decent enough recruiting board for guilds - peruse it and try a number of them out. There are quite a few guilds and alliances that are quite active out there and are willing to take most players as long as they are trying to play decent. The only reason I'm not in one is I realized I really only "want" from one and am not willing to give back - I don't think it is right of me to do that so I H/H anything that means something to me (they don't need me to give anything back). However there have been a few recruiting here over the years that I almost signed up for, still not sure if that was the correct decision or not.

fireflyry · Sep 15, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

All I do is help guildies/PuG's in missions or fart around with builds.

Period.

I've met many non-title/cash orientated players in game that just enjoy repeating old missions or helping others tbh.

As such yes, it is worth it and those players are around for those that take the time to look.

Shasgaliel · Sep 15, 2008, 10:14 AM // 10:14

I am still doing all possible quests/missions/dungeons on every character. Mostly with H/H often with friend. I think I will have quests to do till 2012.

cataphract · Sep 15, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

After getting my monk (main char) to GWAMM, I've started playing my ele. Vanquish here, dungen there, cap an elite here - and she already has 10 titles maxed. Ofcourse, I don't play as much as I used to, but guild and alliance make it fun and enjoyable.

Chokey · Sep 15, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Yeah, loads of people still do dungeons and the like. If you can't get a group,go poke a friend out of hibernation and drag them along.In cases like when noone is on,I usually just chat with guildies, or even go monk Hm missions with just mending and rof(

), what I'm saying is,the game is what you make it. I've been playing for two years and I'm still not bored.Gon on,innovate!

~Chokey

Numa Pompilius · Sep 15, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

So unless I am a trader or farmer, is this game even a real game anymore?

Sure it is. I do quests and dungeons and missions all the time. I don't PUG, though, and the people who PUG don't do quests. So I think maybe I've identified your problem.

Yawgmoth · Sep 16, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

So unless I am a trader or farmer, is this game even a real game anymore?

Yes, a real singleplayer online game (not counting pvp obv.)

While there are people who WANT to do stuff like dungeons/HM missions/vanquishing, there is no way for them to find each other. By this time they have most likely quit the game already or got bored to death playing solo H/H way, but there are still some (like myself) who WANT but can't.

Nowadays people only pug where it's fast and easy to do so - where there is a single meeting point for a highly popular activity, like UW/FoW/DoA or the recent VS farm craze.

But what about people who want to do a dungeon or vanquish an area? The current Party Search can't help them at all - people who would likely want to do the same thing are spread around the world.

There really should be a centralized LFG solution, I consider this to be the single most important thing PvE really needs.

Raven Wing · Sep 16, 2008, 07:06 AM // 07:06

I must admit I spent the majority of my time solofarming foe cash/grinding for titles.
But last night we were 7 guildies+ a hero doing ring of fire, abaddons and hells precipice in a row. Big fun

The day before most the same people did the asuran part of eotn.
I happen to be in a guild that likes to socialise while doing that.

The general problem with pugs is that they are either hopelessly incompetent or strictly disciplined and arrogant. There are almost no pugs with 3-4 good players who accept a nonperfect player anmore.

Having a global party search functin would be great

RazmO- · Sep 16, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

From the party screens, people are either farming VS (whose price has rock bottomed, so who cares) or trading.

People who are doing quests/dungeons have to rely on H/H because it has become more difficult to find a party for quests/dungeons nowadays. Elite missions are even worse.

So unless I am a trader or farmer, is this game even a real game anymore?

Get a guild? lol.
Im doing 3-4 dungeons a day , sometimes the quests as well.. just get a guild and do it.

Dunno if someone already said that , I cba to read all of the topics here^^

Sjeng · Sep 16, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

10 characters: 1 of each profession. Still haven't gotten them all though all campaigns yet.
Massive quest logs yet to clean up
Lots of titles to gain with my warrior for GWAMM

Man, this could keep me busy untill GW2 is old... (combined with a fulltime job and a pretty busy social life that is, otherwise: yes, I'd be bored too).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

While there are people who WANT to do stuff like dungeons/HM missions/vanquishing, there is no way for them to find each other. By this time they have most likely quit the game already or got bored to death playing solo H/H way, but there are still some (like myself) who WANT but can't.

But what about people who want to do a dungeon or vanquish an area? The current Party Search can't help them at all - people who would likely want to do the same thing are spread around the world.

There really should be a centralized LFG solution, I consider this to be the single most important thing PvE really needs.

Dude, look me up ingame! I need to do so much in EotN still. I also need to vanquish all 3 continents. My problem is I never know what to do online, simplky because there's TOO MUCH to do lol.

kratimas · Sep 16, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

From the party screens, people are either farming VS (whose price has rock bottomed, so who cares) or trading.

People who are doing quests/dungeons have to rely on H/H because it has become more difficult to find a party for quests/dungeons nowadays. Elite missions are even worse.

So unless I am a trader or farmer, is this game even a real game anymore?

Absolutely, the game really became a great game with the addition of heros. I have always used hench when the game came out.

It is sad to say but, even the hench AI was better then most human players. Then when the heros came out and you could give them there own builds the game really came alive and fun to play again.

H/H 10x > then Human players and always will be.

JASON626 · Sep 16, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

when u can beat campaigns in days, not weeks u run out of stuff to do.
A dungeon is a dungeon is a dungeon. Deep and urgoz need updates to make them fun again. We need more in game content (adventure) not pve skills and such.

Ate of DK · Sep 16, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

I play quests/dungeons every time I log on.

Numa Pompilius · Sep 16, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASON626

when u can beat campaigns in days, not weeks u run out of stuff to do.

When you beat campaigns in days not weeks, you're either being carried through the content by people who know what to do and where to go (and shortcuts), or you're following guides from guildwiki.
It's not ANets fault, or problem, that you've cheated yourself out of the content you paid for.

Trub · Sep 16, 2008, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

When you beat campaigns in days not weeks, you're either being carried through the content by people who know what to do and where to go (and shortcuts), or you're following guides from guildwiki.
It's not ANets fault, or problem, that you've cheated yourself out of the content you paid for.

TRUTH.

Quote:

RazmO-:Get a guild? lol.
Im doing 3-4 dungeons a day , sometimes the quests as well.. just get a guild and do it.

Dunno if someone already said that , I cba to read all of the topics here^^

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